'You old white people. It is your duty to die'

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Commenter Had Enough sends the following:


The following is disturbing! But, it is REALITY.

The photos were from the marches in the streets, some in DC and some in other cities. Please sit!

The photos that the media would not show!

This is Our Continent

Aztlan Communications Network

The only illegals on this continent are the criminal Europeans

The following are actual tapes of the true agenda of invasion.

Audio clips of the true agenda of Illegal Alien Lobby

The following is a sample of a few speeches by some who are lawmakers:


Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets:
"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die . . . Through love of having children, we are going to take over."

Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council:
"They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over . . . We are here to stay."

Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico:
"The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot."

Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas:
"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population ... I love it. They are sh---ing in their pants with fear. I love it."

Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party:
"Remember 187 - proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens - was the last gasp of white America in California."

Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor:
"We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country . . . I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, 'I'm going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back.'"

Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton:
"California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave."

Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General:
"We are practicing 'La Reconquista' in California."

Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University:
"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos... "

Are these just the words of a few extremists?

Consider that I could fill up many pages with such quotes. Also, consider that these are mainstream Mexican leaders.

THE U.S. VS MEXICO: On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even though most lived in this country. They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags were held upside down. As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon. Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players before and after the match. The coach of the U.S. team, Steve Sampson said, "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in this profession."


Thanks, Had Enough, this is a good bit of research.

At the Herndon Minutemen rally in February, one of the speakers from California noted darkly "It's too late for us - don't make the same mistakes we did." You get the impression many people in other parts of the U.S. haven't woken up yet to what is happening around them.

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Moderate 5-19 said:


This is soooooo upsetting, disturbing, concerning, maddening and ultimately sad. I have to say when I see these pictures it does make me wonder how and why the Republican party, and all like minded Americans (such as myself) does not DEMAND the President to act. He is the leader of Amnesty push. He is the one who first referred to the minute men as “a vigilante group”. His is the administration who can boast more illegal then legal people entering this Country. He is the one in bed with President Fox.

Ultimately this is a national security issue. And if we are going to fight this issue in every city, town, hamlet, village and county; it would be great if Bush was fighting it in Washington DC. Heck now I’m actually ANGRY

Bush, or as I like to call him, "El Presidente," is part of the problem. Unfortunately, so are most of our Republican representatives (and the Democratic reps on the whole are even worse). Someone who knows a great deal more about this than I told me the other night that even my local "stalwart" Republican representatives, Frank Wolf and George Allen, are simply following the polls right now, and could easily go the other way.

It's because they all live in gated communities and they're all getting piles of money from business interests who don't give a rats patoutie about our lives or what sort of country our grandchildren will grow up in.

The good news is, at least in Virginia, we've had a wake up call with perhaps an opportunity to still make a difference - as opposed to those living in California (or Europe, for that matter).

My take is: as this issue evolves, "Republican" and "conservative," "Democrat" and "liberal," are going to become less meaningful identifiers than they already are.

The Republicans are going to take the bigger hit, I predict, because that party up till now probably contains the much larger percentage of those concerned about illegal immigration. There's likely a political bloodbath coming.

zimzo said:

So a few immigrants have said some stupid things and you pretend that that represents the mainstream of pro-immigrant thought. Well, two can play this game. Here are some quotes from the Minutemen and their supporters. And if that isn't enough check out some of the comments on their website, which are, quite frankly, unabashedly racist. These quotes come from here: http://sdrobbie.wordpress.com/2006/05/19/a-dark-chapter-in-world-history-repeating-itself

"There's something very fishy going on at the border. The Mexican army is driving American vehicles — but carrying Chinese weapons. I have personally seen what I can only believe to be Chinese troops" — Chris Simcox

"If it were legal, I'd let people bring nuclear weapons out there." — Jim Chase, on patrolling the Mexican border.

"If we run into any Mexican army or Mexican federales, we're going to belly into 'em, and we're going to do 'em." — Jim Chase, on confronting the enemy at the Mexican border.

"We are suffering robbery, rape and murder of law-abiding citizens at the hands of illegal barbarians who are cutting off heads and appendages of blind, white, disabled gringos." — Barbara Coe, who organized a group to write Proposition 187 twelve years ago.

“Deep down, I feel like I’ve been called to greatness.” — Joseph Turner

“I can’t stand hyphenated Americans." — Joseph Turner

"I am sick and tired of all the white bashing that goes on through the use of political correctness as an indoctrinating tool…I am sick and tired of multiculturalism, meaning, let's celebrate every culture as long as it isn't a European/white culture…just because one believes in white separatism that does not make them a racist." — Joseph Turner

"Illegal immigrants will destroy this country. Every time a Mexican flag is planted on American soil, it is a declaration of war." — Jim Gilchrist

"If you're from the Middle East, it only makes sense you might be in a Middle Eastern terror cell." — Connie Hair

"These people start coming into our communities, they live among us, they steal our children's educations and our children's jobs and our jobs. Deport them. Each and every one of them." — Lupe Moreno

"The consul general says Mexico is reconquering California. A Mexican intellectual suggests that anyone who doesn't like Mexicans should leave California. What else do you need to hear? RECONQUISTA IS REAL… . EVERY ILLEGAL ALIEN IN OUR NATION MUST BE DEPORTED IMMEDIATELY. … IF WE CAN BOMB THE TV STATION IN BELGRADE [in the former Yugoslavia] WE CAN SHUT DOWN [U.S. Spanish-language stations] TELEMUNDO AND UNIVISION." — Glenn Spencer

"…coming here to kill you and to kill me and our families." — Tom Tancredo, on illegal immigrants.

"China is trying to export people," he told one anti-immigration group. "It's a policy for them, a way of extending their hegemony. It's a government-sponsored thing." — Tom Tancredo

"The diversity crowd seduces the naive by teaching that the invaders are noble, harmless people, just here to work, when in fact they are here to commit auto theft, burglary, rape, robbery and murder." — Robert Vasquez

I'm really shocked and disappointed that you could offer any support to a group like the Minutemen. I wonder if you know any illegal immigrants, Joe. I wonder if you've ever talked to any. I wonder if you have any understanding whatsoever of what the average illegal immigrant goes through and has gone through in his ir her life. It's hard to believe that you have. The funny thing is a great number are pretty conservative and would probably vote Republican if you guys didn't bash them in a failed attempt to distract people from talking about the debacle in Iraq.

stay puft marshmallow man said:

yo Joe,

nice list of quotes by crazed Hispanic politicos. But you forgot to include Roberto Gonzalez, who said that it's alright to torture US citizens and hold them w/out due process. That subversive bastard!

still, no idea of how many people are behind this movement? Somewhere between 20 and 300,000, I suppose. The only articles I've been able to find say things like, "300,000 reconquistas take to the streets" when in fact there were a few dozen Aztlan-lovers at a rally with 300,000 people.

Yes, you have some nice pictures. But I think I saw three pictures of the same banner. That's just good old fashioned Michael Moore movie magic.

The only article I've found about who exactly these Aztlan folks are said that they're mainly students from latin America who are here on student visas. That's interesting, because it means that even if all the "illegals" were deported, you wouldn't get rid of these guys.

also, every football match in Mexico is like that. bunch of savages, I tell ya.

Guys - remember I reposted this, didn't write it myself, although obviously I sympathize with the commenter.


Stay Puft - I know, I know we've been through this and I did stipulate the Aztlan bunch may be a tiny, vocal minority. Still, I think their ideas should be widely publicized over and over just so American citizens will be perhaps overly alert.

Plus, you surely see the point of this post was, in part, to highlight the stated views of some fairly prominent members of the community.

You can say my doing this stokes the flames of discontent. I realize this and do have second thoughts about it, but the side of my nature that says 'better err on the side of mistrust' wins out. And the reason is...

Zimzo - dude dude dude dude DUDE! You, my friend, are dearly in need of some education about what is really happening and what we see with our own eyes.

Having illegal immigrants over for tea and getting to know them is NOT the point when you see the evidence of overcrowding and gross zoning violations in your own neighborhood increasing. Portions of Sterling Park have changed for the worse - and NOT because of ethnicity, because of behavior. Twenty people living in a house is bad for the community. It will take another post to get into the details, but please take my word for it.

I don't care how they vote; I want them to obey the law because they are screwing things up here.

It has a huge effect on the schools because of money diverted to ESL and various other programs - large amounts of money. It has a HUGE effect on certain jobs such as contracting, drywall, and carpentry.

As to your quotes - oh dude, I agree with most of them (although I have no idea who 'Joseph Turner' is).

Maybe you're not able to understand because you don't have the context. You obviously have no idea what is happening on our southern border. Read the transcripts of the Judicial Watch forum for starters, especially Steven Camarota, T.J Bonner and Erin Anderson.

Read through the stuff in our Immigration category.

I'll post a summary of our June 20 event which should supply a slew of badly needed information for you. At some point I'll try to write a more thorough post on this.

Thanks to both of you for the thoughtful responses: You've made it clear we have a lot more work to do in explaining the facts on this issue.

Zimzo - I just read that again ... Iraq? Please.

Also, Chris Simcox, Jim Gilchrest and Tom Tancredo are three of the few public figures who recognize the immigration problem as it really exists.

Also, the Minutemen as racist? That's nonsense. You have bad information. Their primary focus here in Herndon is on employers, not workers. Their run-ins with immigrants at the border are primarily humanitarian: The Minutemen I've talked to say the real enemies are the coyotes who are some ruthless a-holes. I don't know if Chris Simcox saw Chinese military personnel there and neither do you, but the issues with the Mexican military were confirmed by T.J. Bonner.

Finally, I see your links all come from a blog which in turn gets them from the Southern Poverty Law Center. I should have caught that at the outset. THAT clarifies the picture significantly.

SPLC is not exactly what I'd call credible: Telling the story of Chris Simcox via Simcox's ex-wives. Labeling Erin Anderson a nativist. Labeling any organization that is anti-illegal immigration a 'hate group.' And so on. SPLC is a joke.

I happen to know Erin. If she's a 'nativist' then there are millions and millions of nativists in the U.S. and the number is growing daily. Erin's family has been on the Arizona border for generations and Erin happens to be one of the foremost experts on what is actually happening down there. Erin Anderson is a realist.

For the sake of this discussion, vis a vis my own views, let's just say SPLC, like the ACLU, takes the exact contrary position on the immigration issue. We can argue about who's telling the truth until we're blue in the face. Pragmatically speaking, you're never going to get me to accept SPLC as authoritative because they say things that contradict what I see in my daily life. I sure don't need the friggin' SPLC to tell me what to think because as far as immigration goes I think they have their heads buried pretty far up where the sun don't shine.

Here's an SPLC link for you with some additional bits of information:

Named as a key member of the Open Borders Lobby in the pamphlet The Open Borders Lobby and the Nation's Security After 9/11, written by William Hawkins and Erin Anderson...

The Southern Poverty Law Center is characterizing critics of last week's pro-open borders rallies (held in several U.S. cities) as "anti-immigration extremists" who have made "open calls for terrorist violence, including truck bombs, machine gun attacks, and assassinations of U.S. senators and members of Congress." To make the point, the SPLC website quotes extremist New Jersey radio host Hal Turner...

More recently, however, it is the SPLC that has found itself on the defensive. Critics from across the political spectrum charge the Center with betraying its professed commitment to advancing civil rights. The SPLC levels accusations of racism unjustly, branding as "bigoted" many groups and individuals whose only crime lies in their refusal to embrace the SPLC's leftwing agenda. Some accuse the SPLC of pursuing revenue rather than justice, by orchestrating fundraising campaigns that exaggerate the prevalence of racism to ensure a steady stream of donations from the Center's alarmed supporters...

As part of its transparently one-sided approach to outing alleged hate groups, the SPLC is not above flinging fictional charges against its ideological adversaries. One particularly egregious example was a 2003 article called "Into the Mainstream," featured in the SPLC's quarterly magazine, Intelligence Report. Authored by fringe leftist Chip Berlet, this tendentious report deliberately mangled quotes and omitted context, to make the case that "right-wing foundations and think tanks support efforts to make bigoted and discredited ideas respectable." Among the groups that came in for the SPLC's scorn was the Center for the Study of Popular Culture, and its founder, David Horowitz...

The SPLC's financing strategy has incurred the ire of critics. In 1995 Alabama's Montgomery Advertiser published a series of investigative reports about the Center's operations. Although the paper had initially been sympathetic to the SPLC's leftwing aims—"[W]e were essentially boosters for the Center. We parroted their press releases," Advertiser editor Jim Tharpe later recalled—it decided to pursue the series based on leads from former SPLC employees. What the paper found was that the SPLC, throughout its history, had never spent more than 31 percent of its income on actual programs. Whereas many nonprofit organizations spent upward of 75 percent of their budgets on operational programs, the SPLC regularly spent as little as 18 percent...

You might want to read all of that, incidentally. By SPLC standards, I am definitely a hate-mongerer and so is almost everyone I associate with politically.

So if you're coming in with links from the SPLC Web site, I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. We're coming from two totally different realities.

zimzo said:

Sorry, Joe, but I don't agree to disagree. Fine if you want to believe the Southern Poverty Law Center is not credible, but to you deny the quotes are real?

The sad fact is that much of the rhetoric of anti-immigration groups does share characteristics with the the rhetoric of racist groups. The Aztlan canard is promoted mostly by white supremacist hate groups such as VDARE, not by pro-immigration groups, which you even admit. (And as far as characterizing VDARE as a hate group, let's just say that not only is there ample evidence for it, but I also happen to have known anti-immigration immigrant Peter Brimelow and we had some very interesting and quite shocking conversations about his belief that white people are intellectually superior to other races.) What's worse, you even admit these beliefs represent a very tiny minority but you "think their ideas should be widely publicized over and over just so American citizens will be perhaps overly alert." You admit "doing this stokes the flames of discontent." I'm not sure if I am more shocked that you would stoop to using the tactics of scapegoating or that you would admit to your dishonest rhetoric so baldly. You know very well that characterizing an entire group of people by the conduct of a small number of individuals belonging to a group is one of the tactics used by scapegoaters throughout history. Even your choice of imagery--stoking flames--is stunningly evocative of rhetoric and tactics historically used by extremist groups. I can't believe that you really believe such tactics add to rational discourse.

You say you agree with most of the quotes I provided. Which ones specifically? Do you believe China has sent soldiers to our Southern border (you don't honestly believe this do you)? Do you believe we should use nuclear weapons there? Do you think Mexicans are "barbarians."? Do you "hate hyphenated Americas"? Do you think all Middle Easterners are likely members of terrorist cells? Do you think we should bomb Telemundo? Do you think illegal immigrants want to kill you in your families? Do you think illegal immigrants "are here to commit auto theft, burglary, rape, robbery and murder"? Which of these ideas do you subscribe to?

Joseph Turner is executive director of the San Bernardino-based Save Our State, an anti-immigration organization.

"Having illegal immigrants over for tea..." Could you be any more patronizing and contemptuous? No, Joe, I do not have illegal immigrants over for tea. That would be so... Republican. I actually live, work and socialize with quite a few illegal immigrants and I know about their lives quite intimately. I also speak fluent Spanish (thanks to a few Spanish teachers whom you seem to believe should be second-class citizens but that's another topic for another time). You see that's the thing. It's easy to characterize people as animals or savages when you don't really know anything about them personally. ("Twenty people living in a house"! Oh really. How many households would you say Joe or is this another example of those "flames of discontent" you would prefer to stoke). It wouldn't be difficult to characterize anti-immigration forces as a bunch of ignorant racist crackers, too, but I don't believe that.

As far as my invocation of Iraq, you don't find it more than coincidental that this issue and other hot-button issues like gay marriage and flag-burning are being raised just as the war in Iraq is going south. You don't think that linking this issue to terrorism is bogus? How many terrorists can you document as coming across our southern border? In fact there have been cases of terrorists coming across our northern border. Why then is the focus on Mexico? What is the difference between Mexico and Canada? I wonder. And why is this suddenly such a big crisis now? I live in an area where there are far more illegal immigrants than Herndon and it is not considered a problem here. Parhaps it is actually because there are so few immigrants relatively speaking there that it is perceived as a problem.
Let me be clear. I am not saying you are a racist. I am saying that your rhetorics and tactics are are similar to those used by racists in the past and I think you really should be careful about that because it doesn't do your arguments any good. And what do you actually propose to do besides build a big fence? Are you going to deport the illegal immigrants that are here already? How?

Your complete and total lack of compassion for illegal immigrants and gays gives me the impression that you haven't really bothered to try to see things from their point of view and that you lack even a modicum of Christian compassion. It's really hard for me to believe that you feel OK with that. Perhaps you need to listen a bit more to people who do not echo your views and have a different life experience from you. It certainly couldn't hurt.

Mr. Zimzo,

You realize, of course, this means war.

Just kidding. I appreciate the amount of thought and time you put into this comment. I'd appreciate it a little more if you did not distort two of my key points and then take these as points of departure for your argument.

The notions that the Aztlan-Mexica ideology is only held by a "tiny minority" and that publicizing their ideas amounts to "stoking flames" were both presented as hypotheticals. You surely read my response carefully enough to recognize this, yet you went ahead and argued as though I'd stated these as facts. What gives, bro'?

Well, never mind. This deserves to be on the main page, not in the comments.

I am going to move this to the top level, and hope to do so tonight. See you there.

stay puft marshmallow man said:

don't worry, zimzo. Joe doesn't believe in research published by Oxfam International, either. Says they're not credible because they support dictators, like the Shah of Iran. no wait, it was some OTHER group that supported the shah.

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