Immigration debate going on now, right here

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In case you hadn't noticed, another of our mothers of all comment threads is slowly developing right under your nose, at this post. If you are interested in the topic of illegal immigration, check it out. Zimzo is the headliner, but Moderate 5-19 is chipping away at the clay feet and any moment now we expect the Z-man to fall.


M 5-19:

"I always fail to understand why the conversation about illegal immigrants always must go to the place of name calling and accusations. I think this is a rather simple issue.

ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL, it really does not have to go any further then that.

I also believe the focus of all attempts to “solve” or even deal with the illegal immigration issue should start and stop with the people and business that employ illegals.


I congratulate you Moderate 5-19 for never having broken a law in your entire life. I'm glad you think that obeying all laws, even ineffective or ill-advised laws, is more important than their effects on human beings.

M 5-19:

With the number of people who die just trying to reach America, I would think that would be enough for all humane people to discourage illegal immigration, not encourage it.


I doubt your conception of the law is so monochromatic that you equate someone stealing a loaf of bread to feed their family with someone robbing a bank.

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Had Enough said:

This was emailed to me, but it would take me over 3 hours to download on my computer. Would someone with high speed download it and tell me if it is worth the time to download and watch.

kevin said:

"People from third world countries come here and they have never had a shot in their life. They do not believe in it. . . .TB, and diseases that were never known to this country or Virginia are on the rise. We are also being invaded by bedbugs. . .I read a blog awile back where the man said they watch their hispanic neighbors wash their kids hair in kerosene in the front yard to get rid of lice." --Had Enough

OMG LOL!!! (as the kids say) That's funny as all get out. Are you seriously serious?

I'd like to download the movie for you but I'm dial-up too. I'm curious to know what the 4th of July in 1996 has to do with anything and who the minutemanpirateradio is and who they are funded by.

Had Enough said:

Diseases, you seem yo think it is a joke!

Please be sure to read the part about Virginia & Prince William County.


Dr. Madeleine Cosman, Ph.D., ESQ
April 25, 2005

Illegal aliens cross America’s borders medically unexamined. We shrug. We do not know what Illegal Aliens carry in their backpacks. We do not know what they carry in their bodies.

Long ago we knew what legal immigrants brought with them. When my grandpa came to America, he kissed the ground of New York’s Ellis Island, then he stripped naked and coughed hard. Every legal immigrant before 1924 was examined for infectious diseases upon arrival and tested for tuberculosis. Anyone infected was shipped back to the old country. That was powerful incentive for each newcomer to make heroic efforts to appear healthy.

Today, legal immigrants must demonstrate that they are free of communicable diseases and drug addiction to qualify for lawful permanent residency Green Cards.

But Illegal Aliens stop at no medical checkpoint. Whoever walks through our foolishly open Golden Door comes in healthy or sick. If a border patrol sentry catches a healthy Illegal Alien he might be sent back home immediately. However, if we catch and detain a sick Illegal Alien, who after examination by physicians in a detention center proves to have a serious disease, we keep him! Foolish compassion makes us fear that his home country has neither adequate medical resources nor modern wonder drugs. So we release sick Illegal Aliens to the American streets, to infect others if their diseases are contagious, or we place them in our Medicaid program where we pay for their expensive treatments.

Foolish medical generosity encourages clever Illegal Aliens to exploit free medical care that EMTALA, the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, provides.[1] Foolish medical graciousness encourages cynical Illegal Aliens to take and take and take again.[2] Only a foolish guest will refuse what a foolish host offers. Our wide-open Golden Door guarantees that Illegal Aliens in their own self-interest will use and abuse our medical system. Our Golden Door also is propped open thanks to advocacy and legal aid of Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Foundation, National Immigration Law Center, Southern Poverty Law Center, and similar open border groups.[3] America is fast becoming Hospital to the World.

Horrendous diseases that long ago America had conquered are resurging. Horrific diseases common in Third World poverty and medical ignorance suddenly are appearing in American emergency rooms and medical offices. Along with the visible invasion of Illegal Aliens across our borders is an invisible invasion of deadly diseases.[4]

Many illegals who skulk across our borders have tuberculosis (TB). That disease had disappeared from America thanks to excellent hygiene and powerful modern drugs such as Isoniazid and Rifampin.[5] ,[6] ,[7] ,[8] ,[9] ,[10] TB’s swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60% of those infected. The culprit is the new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis (MDR-TB).[11] Until recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico.[12] ,[13]

The mycobacterium tuberculosis is resistant to at least two major TB drugs. Ordinary TB usually is cured in six months with four drugs (that cost about $2000). MDR-TB takes 24 months with many expensive drugs with toxic side effects (that cost around $250,000).[14] ,[15] Each Illegal Alien with MDR-TB coughs and infects numerous people who will not show symptoms immediately. Latent disease explodes later, like a time bomb.

TB was virtually absent in Virginia until in 2002 it spiked a 17% increase, but Prince William County, not far from Washington, D.C., had a meteoric rise of 188%. Public health officials blamed immigrants. Indiana School of Medicine in 2001 studied an outbreak of MDR-TB traced to illegal aliens from Mexico.

The Queens, New York, health department attributed 81% of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants. The Centers for Disease Control ascribed 42% of all new TB cases to “foreign born” people who have up to eight times higher incidence.[16] ,[17] ,[18] ,[19] ,[20] ,[21] Apparently 66% of all TB cases coming to America originate in Mexico, the Philippines, and Viet Nam.

Virulent TB outbreaks afflicted schoolteachers and children in Michigan,[22] ,[23] and adults and kids in Texas.[24] The teachers and kids caught it at school from coughing children of Illegal Aliens. In Minnesota, policemen suddenly came down with MDR-TB. The cops caught it in their patrol cars when they arrested Illegal Aliens who coughed in their faces. Recently TB erupted in Portland, Maine, and Del Ray Beach, Florida.

Chagas Disease has no known cure. Chagas has the revolting nickname of kissing bug disease. The Reduviid bug has parasites that favor the lips and face for infection. That noxious Trypanosoma-Cruzi protozoan annually infects 18 million people in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths.[25] ,[26] ,[27] ,[28] ,[29] ,[30] ,[31] This seditious disease also infiltrates America’s blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected.[32] After 10 to 20 years, up to 30% will die when their hearts or intestines, enlarged and weakened by Chagas Disease, burst.[33] Two people died of the three people in 2001 who received Chagas-infected organ transplants.

Leprosy, a scourge in Biblical days and in medieval Europe, so horribly destroys flesh, faces, and fingers it was called Disease of the Soul.[34] Lepers quarantined in leprosaria sounded noisemakers when they ventured out to warn people to stay far away. Leprosy or Hansen’s Disease was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted.[35] ,[36] ,[37] ,[38] Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states. There are leprosy clinics in New York City. Illegal Aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean, and Mexico.[39] ,[40] ,[41]

Dengue Fever is exceptionally rare in America though common in Ecuador, Peru, Viet Nam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia, and Mexico.[42] Recently there was a virulent outbreak of Dengue Fever on the Webb County, Texas, border with Mexico.[43] Though Dengue usually is not a fatal disease, Dengue Hemorrhagic Fever, is one strain of the disease that routinely kills.

Polio was eradicated from America but now reappears in illegal immigrants.[44] Intestinal parasites were mostly obliterated. Our fine sanitation and microbe-safe food supplies made them disappear. But they are back, in the bodies of Illegal Aliens.[45] ,[46] ,[47] ,[48]

Malaria was obliterated but now is re-emerging in Texas and other states.[49] ,[50] ,[51] ,[52] No mosquito that bites a person infected with malaria checks identification papers before biting another person to transmit debilitating fever.

About 4000 young children under age five annually in America contract the infectious disease called Kawasaki Disease. Youngsters develop fever, red eyes, “strawberry tongue,” and acute inflammation of their coronary arteries and other blood vessels. Many suffer heart attacks and sudden death.[53] ,[54]

Hepatitis A, B, and C are resurging.[55] ,[56] ,[57] ,[58] An outbreak of Hepatitis A in 2003 near Pittsburgh endangered 3000 thanks to infected Mexico-grown scallions and Illegal Alien kitchen workers in a Chi-Chi’s restaurant. Two Americans died. Asians number 4% of Americans but over 50% of Hepatitis B cases. We inoculate all newborns for Hepatitis B although mainly Asians are susceptible.[59] Why? The answer is political judgment not medical judgment.[60]

Deadly Marburg disease, like the fierce hemorrhagic Ebola, right now in April, 2005, is devastating Angola.[61] Physicians in that African country are despairing as hundreds of infected people bleed to death. Just one infected person who could walk through the Golden Door of our Hospital to the World could be a suicide bomber with incendiaries in his arteries, veins, or capillaries.

Terrorists are buying so-called “weapons grade” strains of disease organisms for bio-warfare. America risks devastation by evil intent of a terrorist or by innocent accident of an infected Illegal Alien walking through our foolishly open Golden Door.

Illegal Aliens secret in their bodies invisible, deadly time bombs. Homeland Security ignores these lethal weapons of health destruction.

kevin said:

yeah, ok, what I think I'll do then is write my own editorial, cite some sources to back up my own views, and then call it news. . .with views. "Illegal Aliens secret in their bodies invisible, deadly time bombs. Homeland Security ignores these lethal weapons of health destruction." I promise, it won't be slanted at all.

And I certainly wouldn't use it to convince you or those who are looking for confirmation of my own beliefs (or really, as a salve for my anxious self, to be fair to you).

Oh wait, I'm guilty of proselytizing too. You're right, it's good to be fair in reporting or looking at issues.

zimzo said:

Dr. Madeleine Cosman wasn't a medical doctor. She was an expert in Medieval Studies with a law degree.

Had Enough said:


Please stop trying to discredit anyone who has researched the impact of illegal aliens on this country, there is to much evidence to support it.

Ms. Cosman founded the Institute for Medieval and Renaissance Studies in 1968. But as I would have guessed, she would get no credit from you on her medical background or her studies on illegals or disease. Below is just a very small example of her accomplishments. Please note that she taught medical students for 28 years.

It is unfortunate that she died earlier this year at 68. Her contributions were outstanding.

Dr. Madeleine Cosman, Esq. is a medical lawyer based in San Diego who lectures nationwide on medical law and medical policy. She is President of Medical Equity, Inc., a national medical law consultancy. She has written 15 books, hundreds of articles, and was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize and National Book Award. Her forthcoming book this year is Who Owns Your Body?: Doctors and Patients Behind Bars. As Full Professor she taught medical students for 28 years at City University of New York. Member of the New York Bar, New Jersey Bar, and Barrister with the American Inns of Court, Madeleine has studied the main Sustainable Medicine documents from the Geneva office of the World Health Organization.

Her J.D. is from New York's Cardozo School of Law, Ph.D. from Columbia University, M.A. from Hunter College, and B.A. from Barnard College. She is a member of the New York State Bar, New Jersey Bar, American Bar Association's Health Law Section, and American Inns of Court. Madeleine is Professor Emerita of City College of City University of New York and a Life Fellow of the New York Academy of Medicine.

Impact of Illegal Immigration on the U.S. Health Care System vs. Impact of Legal Immigration/Refugee Claimants on Canada's Health Care System - Immigration Watch Canada
Published on: 4/5/2005 Last Visited: 5/20/2006

The following is the article on the relevant research paper published by the American Journal of Physicians and Surgeons. (Author of research paper: Madeleine Pelner Cosman, medical lawyer and former professor at The City College of New York)
writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report.
communicable diseases and drug addiction to qualify for lawful permanent residency green cards," writes Cosman, a medical lawyer, who formerly taught medical students at the City University of New York. "Illegal aliens simply

Dr. Madeleine Cosman - is a medical lawyer and President of Medical Equity, Inc., a national medical law and medical policy consultancy firm in San Diego, CA. She has lectured internationally on such topics as medical litigation, health policy, Constitutional law and medical ethics. Her article "Illegal Aliens and American Medicine" was featured in Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (Spring, 2005). She has spoken at townhall meetings and anti-illegal immigration summits and events around the country. She has been a frequent guest and commentator on national TV and radio programs including CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight and C-Span. Dr. Cosman has testified before Congress, worked with Washington think tanks and is a Director of California Rifle and Pistol Association. One of her 15 published books was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize. She graduated from Barnard College with her Master's from Hunter College, her Ph.D. from Columbia University and her J.D. from Cardozo School of Law.

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