The black-on-white crime coverup

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Further evidence of the utter uselessness of the mainstream media - in which I would include Fox News although they pose as "alternative" and MSNBC although nobody ever watches them - is highlighted by La Shawn Barber's post on the Newsom-Christian torture-murders earlier this year:


Even if the stripper's allegations had been true, why was the Duke case burning up the airwaves while the Christian-Newsom case barely emits a spark?

What's up with the lack of blanket media coverage? I'm not talking about a story here or there with case updates. The media should be swarming around this story.


I found it via NewsBusters which has more on the story.

We should be close to the point where "hate crime" can be consigned to the Dustbin of Meaningless Terms.

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Jack said:

A "hate crime" is a crime perpetrated by a White, Christian male upon anyone who is NOT a White, Christian male.

Ron said:

The Justice Department does actually keep "hate crime" statistics. (We can discuss the merits of this government program another time.) THe last time I looked, it was pretty apparent that the number of black on white hate crimes were higher than white on black ones as a proportion to the population. The rate of the former seemed to be at least double the rate of the latter.

Interesting information, Ron. Could you tell me where to find those stats? Someone should post that info over at La Shawn Barber's and NewsBusters as I imagine they would be interested as well.

Jack said:

I have seen the FBI reports that break out murders by race of perpetrator and victim, but I have not seen that done with "hate crimes."

zimzo said:

Congratulations, Joe, on picking up a story that has been making the rounds of white supremacist and racist sites and for mimicking their arguments. Of course, La Shawn Barber is notorious for picking up on these kinds of stories, as a black woman who writes such things as "whites generally have higher cognitive ability than blacks."

The Justice Department does keep hate crime statistics. They can be found here:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm

The 2005 statistics for anti-white hate crimes is 19.9% and for anti-black crimes is 67.9%. Are you now going to accuse the FBI of engaging in some sort of liberal cover-up?

The truth is the media emphasizes a lot of stories that don't seem that important and ignores those that do. Do you think that the Natalee Holloway story in which a white woman was raped is more important than any number of stories where a black woman was raped or other white women were raped for that matter?

As a matter of fact I have a problem with hate crime laws because of their chilling effect on free speech, but I really find it troubling when people oppose hate crime laws only toward certain groups, such as President Bush and the right-wing who oppose hate crime laws that include gays, which sends the message that hate crimes against gays are OK, and those, like yourself, who make light of the fact that there are crimes committed against blacks, gays and other groups that are primarily motivated by racism and homophobia and other kinds of group hatred. Do you honestly believe that white people suffer from racism to the same degree that black people do or that straight people get bashed just as much as gay people do because of their sexual orientation?

The Christian-Newsom murders were certainly a horrible sadistic act but there is no evidence so far that they were motivated primarily by racial hatred. It's pretty sad that you value these people's young lives only as a political cudgel. Would you be mentioning this crime if the races were reversed? Would you mention this crime if the victims were a gay couple? Answer honestly.

You have sunk to a new low with this post, Joe.

Jack said:

Starting right in with the ad hominem attacks, eh, zimzo?

The data zimzo misquotes is at http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/incidentsoffenses.htm . It says that of the 4691 hate crimes were motivated by race. Of those, 68.2% were motivated by anti-black bias, and 19.9% by anti-white bias. Now, since the Whites are about 75% of the population, and Blacks about 12%, we can see that Black-on-White hate crime is more prevalent, PER BLACK, than is White-on-Black hate crime per White.

We also see ( http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_05.html ) that 516 Whites were killed by Blacks, but only 230 Blacks were killed by Whites.

zimzo said:

I guess math isn't your strong suit, Jack. Not all of the anti-black and anti-white crimes were committed by blacks and whites. Some were committed by Asians and Latinos. Hate crimes include other violent crimes besides murder, but the murder staistics you quote show that blacks are overwhelmingly more likely to be killed by whites as a proportion of population if you want to look at it that way, since about one third of the interracial murders are committed against blacks who are as you point out only 12% of the population.

You degrade the human race by walking upon the Earth, Zimzo. Shame on you for taking in oxygen which could have been better used by kudzu or, certainly, weevils. The sheer disingenuousness of framing this crime as "a story that has been making the rounds of white supremacist and racist sites" should have all of us shaking our heads in sorrow at the depth to which our species has plunged.

Sad, just sad.

Jack said:

Joe, oxygen is PRODUCED by kudzu.

Zimzo, there was no detail given on who COMMITTED the crimes, only on the victims. So there's not much we can do there.

Now, I never said all hate crimes were murders. According to the very page cited above, 6 were.

You're statement that "about one third of the interracial murders are committed against blacks who are as you point out only 12% of the population" is simply nuts.

Just for simplicity, let's assume a nation of 10% Blacks, 90% Whites. If the same percentage, let's say 0.1%, of Blacks and Whites murdered someone of the other race, then NINE blacks would be killed for every ONE White killed. If the murderers were so evenly distributed in the U.S., that ratio would be about 7:1. Since it is only 2:1, we can conclude that the Blacks are 3.5 times more likely to commit such interracial murders as Whites are.

BTW, I minored in mathematics (with the major in Engineering, of course). That included two classes in probability and statistics. How about you?

Singleton said:

This is madness. I can't believe this story isn't on the national airwaves. That link just left me speechless.

My apologies to kudzu for the thoughtless remark.

jacob said:

Joe,
Your heartlessness boggles the mind! Putting a plant, even a pest species, into the same catagory as zimzo is beyond the pale. On behalf of the Kudzu I am calling you out, swords at dawn sir.

I have often been called out to condemn a statement here, and in this instance I must finally relent: I regret my inhumane slander of kudzu. Kudzu has the right of every species to exist and it is inappropriate for me to class kudzu with such irrational, hypothetical entities as Zimzo.

jacob said:

Joe,
Your apology to the pest species, Kudzu, has been noted and appreciated. I hereby withdraw my challenge.

zimzo said:

I guess when you have no argument attacking me personally is the only option you have left.

Oh no there are plenty of arguments against you, Zimzo, when you expound such crap but when you deserve to be attacked personally we have certain responsibilities.

Jack said:

I made an argument, and I have not attacked you. Do you have a response?

zimzo said:

I was referring, Jack, to the numbers you presented. 530+216=746. 216 is a bit less than one-third of 746.
The point is, however, that contrary to what Ron posted the rate of black on white hate crimes is not "double" the number of "white on black ones as a proportion to the population."

That is incorrect.

Joe, I simply pointed out a fact: this story has been picked up by white supremacist and racist sites and used as an example to slam the notion of hate crimes. This is not the first time that a La Shawn Barber post has been picked up by those sites. Personally, I would be troubled by the idea that something I said mimicked something on those sites or gave them ammunition and it might cause me to wonder if I were perpetuating ideas that were repugnant at their core. Apparently, it doesn't matter to you.

In addition I pointed out that the media does not focus only on white on black crime as you contended, giving the example of Natalee Holloway, though there are plenty of others. So that is a myth.

Further I asked you several questions that you were apparently unable to answer: Do you honestly believe that white people suffer from racism to the same degree that black people do or that straight people get bashed just as much as gay people do because of their sexual orientation? Would you be mentioning this crime if the races were reversed? Would you mention this crime if the victims were a gay couple?

Clearly, you were unable to defend the reasons for making this post and could not answer my questions so instead you attacked me because you claim I "deserve" to be attacked, saying I "degrade the human race." How interesting that you would resort to rhetoric designed to dehumanize me when the topic at hand is hate crimes.

Your response, Zimzo, was repugnant. I posted about a horrible crime that has received nearly zero media attention, and you respond by insinuating it is merely a white supremacist meme and calling it my lowest post ever. You deserve to be dehumanized.

zimzo said:

Again, Joe, you are misrepresenting your original post and my response. You exploited this tragic and repugnant crime to attack the notion of hate crimes, saying the term is "meaningless" and to claim that the media has an agenda which is demonstrably false.

Once again you fail to prove your points or to contradict mine. And you try to cover up the reason you made this post in the first place. Once again all you can do is attack me. Pretty pathetic.

"Demonstrably" false. That's a good one. Using assumptive language to posit what has not been demonstrated at all.

How about this:

"As we agreed, Zimzo, the media has failed to report on this crime because of political correctness."

Jack said:

"I was referring, Jack, to the numbers you presented. 530+216=746. 216 is a bit less than one-third of 746."

Entirely true, but entirely irrelevant. Do you, perchance, work for Microsoft Technical Support?

"The point is, however, that contrary to what Ron posted the rate of black on white hate crimes is not 'double' the number of 'white on black ones as a proportion to the population.'

"That is incorrect."

I agree. Considering that the FBI does not classify hate crimes by perpetrator-and-victim, but only by victim, it is impossible to say what that ratio is.

That is why I brought in the Black-on-White vs. White-on-Black murder rates, because they are so classified. I concluded above that Blacks are 3.5 times more likely to commit interracial murders than are Whites. However, since Blacks are 6.5 times as likely to commit murder, they actually murdering about half as many Whites as they would be if their victims were of random race. Of course, proximity has a great deal to do with victimization rates, but the data really do not indicate a tendency for Black murderers to target Whites.

Jack said:

Joe, considering the crime rate for Blacks, have you considered the possibility that the media simply considered the Newsom-Christian case to be another "dog-bites-man" story?

zimzo said:

Let me see if I have this straight. Joe is saying that the media is engaged in a conspiracy to cover up all crimes except those committed by white people on blacks out of "political correctness." Do you ever watch the news on TV or read a newspaper or do you get all of your news from World Net Daily and La Shawn Barber? Just as a random example I searched on Google news for the word "murder" and it looks to me like there is a mix of murders committed by blacks and whites, a possible racist murder and one where gay porn models killed a porn producer. Doesn't sound very politically correct to me. What is your evidence of this cover-up?

Meanwhile, Jack is apparently implying that blacks have a genetic propensity to violence. I see no other reason he would think the race of the perpetrators is more relevant than, say, their socioeconomic status, which we all know does have an impact on propensity to commit crime. What are you trying to say, Jack?

So, Joe, are you unable or unwilling to answer the questions I posed: Do you honestly believe that white people suffer from racism to the same degree that black people do or that straight people get bashed just as much as gay people do because of their sexual orientation? Would you be mentioning this crime if the races were reversed? Would you mention this crime if the victims were a gay couple?

Jack said:

"Meanwhile, Jack is apparently implying that blacks have a genetic propensity to violence."

I said nothing of the sort. I only quoted the numbers -- I never posited an explanation for those numbers.

"I see no other reason he would think the race of the perpetrators is more relevant than, say, their socioeconomic status, which we all know does have an impact on propensity to commit crime."

I'd be interested to see data showing that race is not a factor when "socioeconomic status" is considered. Unfortunately, the FBI does not break out the murders by "socioeconomic status" of the perpetrators and victims.

I must enquire, however, whether Canada's economy is responsible for their violent crime rate's being twice ours.

"What are you trying to say, Jack?"

Only what I said already, "the data really do not indicate a tendancy for Black murderers to target Whites."

Ernest said:

Do you honestly believe that white people suffer from racism to the same degree that black people do or that straight people get bashed just as much as gay people do because of their sexual orientation? Would you be mentioning this crime if the races were reversed? Would you mention this crime if the victims were a gay couple?


I don't know what "gay" people have to do with any of this but blacks commit more violent crimes then whites per capita and racism against whites by black is prevalent.

zimzo said:

Here is an interesting piece on how these murders are being propelled by the right-wing media in order to confuse people about what hate crimes really are. It also discusses how they are mainstreaming memes from racist hate sites just as I said:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/05/hate-crimes-muddying-waters.html

Mr.D said:

Jack. 2:00 A.M. Summer night. i'll take a walk through a white neighborhood (your choice). You take a walk through black one. (my choice). There have been several cover-ups lately of violent Black on White crimes. Wichita is another that comes to mind. We would accept each other better without this political preference and media bias towards blacks. That continues to drive a wedge between the races. Jesse Jackson, himself said that he was scared while being followed until he saw that it was white person. Common sense will keep you alive longer.

Mike D. said:

The Christian-Newsome murders are obviously race-based, in my opinion. The act of rape is about power, not sex. The fact that the black males raped the white male was an act meant to control, degrade, and humiliate. As if the blacks were saying to all whites, "We're not your slaves anymore! See whose in control now, Whitey?" Not to mention the things done to Channon.

Had it been white on black, no "proof" would even be needed to label this a 'hate-crime'. The act itself would be proof enough.

Jack said:

Obviously, it was a homosexual-on-heterosexual hate crime.

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